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Revisiting the idea of using chelates for the Fe/Mn flow battery

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On my last post I wrote about the potential of using Fe/Mn in acidic solution to create an Fe/Mn flow battery. I cited a paper published a few years ago which shows that you can achieve reversible Mn3+ chemistry in a solution of sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid, I then proceeded to confirm this reversibility using cyclic voltammetry of Mn2+ solutions in hydrochloric acid.

However, it quickly became clear from analysis of the paper that this was only at very low capacities. This is because Mn3+ becomes unstable as its concentration increases in solutions, turning into MnO2 and Mn2+.

A 0.5M Fe-DTPA + 0.5M Mn-EDTA solution in an acetate buffer (prepared with 100mL of 8% acetic acid + 10g of potassium acetate)

Given the very low volumetric densities that can be achieved with the acid setup, there’s no option but to revisit the use of more stable and reversible forms of manganese. The best candidate seems to be Mn-EDTA. This complex has already been shown to work in flow batteries at the 0.5M-1.0M range (see here).

I had already thought about using this complex and wrote several posts about its potential use in combination with Fe-EDTA or Fe-EDDHA (see here). However, there is a big problem with the pH compatibility of the Mn-EDTA with the Fe-EDTA or Fe-EDDHA. The issue being that Mn3+-EDTA is only stable under acidic pH conditions, where the solubility of both Fe-EDTA and Fe-EDDHA is limited to around 0.1M. These chelates are only highly soluble under basic pH conditions, which are fully incompatible with Mn-EDTA.

CV of the solution shown in the first image. The half-wave potentials for both reactions are -0.11V and 0.61V, both Vs Ag/AgCl. The above CV was done with a scan rate of 10mV/s.

The question is whether there is any easily accessible Fe chelate that is both compatible with Mn-EDTA in solution (so that we can create a symmetric electrolyte) and that can create soluble solutions at >0.5M concentrations in a pH ~5-6 buffer. Note that I need both chelates to be dissolved at >0.5M at the same time since I want the electrolyte to be symmetric so that it can work using a microporous membrane.

The answer is Fe-DTPA. This chelate is highly soluble at acidic pH values and – best of all – it is soluble enough to actually be in >0.5M solution in the presence of Mn-EDTA at this high concentration. Above you can see a picture of the Fe-DTPA+Mn-EDTA solution. The solution also contains an acetate buffer, which should ensure pH stability on charge/discharge, which should prevent degradation of the Mn-EDTA.

The second image shows a CV of the Fe-EDTA/Mn-EDTA buffered solution, showing that both the Fe and Mn electrochemical reactions are reversible. The half wave potentials are -0.11V and 0.61V, giving us an expected potential for the flow battery of +720mV. This is close to what I had measured before for Fe-EDTA/Mn-EDTA. This proves that the DTPA does not change the electrochemical characteristics of the system very much. The above test also confirms there acetate buffer is stable to the generated Mn3+-EDTA.

The next step is to build a flow battery using the above solution and see what performance characteristics we can get. With the current solutions this system will be limited to around 8-9Wh/L. However I haven’t tested the solubility limits of the chelates in this buffer.

Is Fe/Mn chemistry viable for a true flow battery?

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My original idea was to create a flow battery without Vanadium that would contain no metal deposition reactions on either the anodic or cathodic sites. This would be a true flow battery, in the sense that energy capacity would be completely decoupled from power capacity. It would also be compatible with a symmetric electrolyte which would allow the use of microporous membranes. There is currently no low cost flow battery – to the best of my knowledge – that fulfills these criteria, outside of Fe/Mn (with Fe/Cr and V being the only options).

My original idea was to use easily sourced FeEDTA and MnEDTA for this purpose. However it became clear that there are important solubility issues with FeEDTA and MnEDTA plus significant stability issues related with the Mn3+ EDTA chelate, which prevented this battery from actually working. While both FeEDTA and MnEDTA had been used in different flow batteries, no one had put them together on any published research — now I know why.

Cyclic voltammetry of FeCl3 1.5M + MnCl2 1.5M + 3M HCl (concentrations are approximate). Reference electrode was Ag/AgCl, glassy carbon working electrode, graphite counter electrode. Scan rate was 10mV/s.

However, there was a paper published in 2022 that was able to use a symmetric Fe/Mn chemistry by employing Fe chloride and Mn sulfate in an acidic media with a special proportion of sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid. I wanted to try this out to see if I could actually get an Fe/Mn chemistry that worked. The paper goes into the importance of the hydrochloric acid to generate stable Mn3+ species, but doesn’t say anything about the importance of the sulfuric acid, so I decided to try a hydrochloric acid only approach for starters and see if the CVs showed reversible Mn chemistry.

The first CV I carried out is shown above. This solution was prepared by using 5mL of 15% HCl, 5 mL of 40% FeCl3 and 3g of MnCl2. You can see the reversible reaction for the Fe with a standard potential near 0.45V, you can also see an Mn oxidation peak near 1.6V with no evident reversibility (no reduction peak). This is classic for the formation of MnO2 and its subsequent conversion back to Mn2+ with generation of Cl2 in concentrated hydrochloric acid. Gas bubbles on the working electrode were also evident, which further supports this hypothesis.

Cyclic voltammetry of FeCl3 1.5M + MnCl2 1.5M + 0.6M HCl (concentrations are approximate). Reference electrode was Ag/AgCl, glassy carbon working electrode, graphite counter electrode. Scan rate was 10mV/s.

I then tried lowering the concentration of the HCl to see what would happen to the CV. Interestingly enough, when going with a 0.6M concentration, I saw the appearance of a reversible reaction with a standard potential near 1.25V, which is near the potential that is mentioned on the paper. This peak also shows significant reversibility, with the corresponding reduction peak appearing near 1.15V. The difference between these two standard peaks is also 0.775mV, which is close to the open circuit potential reported for the flow battery within the paper I mentioned before. This solution was 1mL 15% HCl, 3g MnCl2 and 5mL of FeCl3 40%.

Upon charging, acid will become depleted from the cathodic side, which might be why the sulfuric acid was used on the paper to generate proper cycling (as MnO2 would start forming if the pH became too basic). Interestingly enough, volumetric capacities aren’t mentioned in the paper (just mAh of charge). Using their values of 5mL of volume per side (total volume of 10mL) their discharge capacity goes from 1-2.5Wh/L, which is 10x lower than the standard for Vanadium batteries. This means that – while the Mn3+ chemistry is reversible – very little of the Mn is actually accessible (less than 10% at a 1M concentration).

The acid balance here is fundamental, so you likely need just the right amount of HCl to make Mn3+ stable, but not enough as to make the oxidation of Cl– to Cl2 very favorable. If possible I would like to stay with a battery with only chlorides, as the inputs are easier to source (sulfuric acid is hard to get in many places), so I will try to cycle the above chemistry soon as see if it is actually feasible. On another note, Mn3+ reacts with cellulose quite quickly, so I will have to use a proper microporous separator – like Daramic – instead of the photopaper I have been using for Zn/I experiments.

Things are not looking very good for an Fe/Mn chemistry.

Towards a DIY Manganese/Iron flow battery. First experiments using cyclic voltammetry.

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Flow batteries are a great approach for large scale energy storage. While in a battery the amount of energy is constrained by the mass of the anode and the cathode, in a flow battery the cathode and anode are stable electrodes (most commonly graphitic foams) and the energy is stored in solutions that are pumped through these electrodes.

General diagram of a flow battery.

Many of the lowest cost approaches to the chemistry of a flow battery are unable to fully take advantage of this, because they reduce a metal to its solid form on the anode. Approaches using Fe and Zn where this happens are common. The deposition of a solid metal then creates additional issues with both passivation and with dendrites, which can end up shorting the flow battery down the line.

To solve these issues, we need a chemistry where both the oxidation and the reduction happen in solution (with no solid formation on the electrodes). Additionally both of the half-reactions need to be reversible. From a DIY perspective, they should ideally happen under mild conditions and, to make things even more difficult, we need materials that are low cost and that can be easily purchased.

Relative abundance of elements in the earth’s crust

Manganese (Mn) and Iron (Fe) are some of the most common elements on the Earth’s crust, so they fulfill the cost issue. However, when building a flow battery with Mn, we find that the oxidation reactions that Mn is involved in generally involve the formation of insoluble Mn oxides. This happens because Mn3+ is generally unstable in solution and reacts with water to create Mn2+ plus an Mn4+ oxide or hydroxide.

However, a few papers have been published on the use of Na2Mn(EDTA) in flow batteries. This chelate – a commonly available fertilizer – protects the Mn3+ from reacting with water and enhances the reversibility of the reaction. Given the potential where the oxidation of Mn(EDTA)-2 happens, I thought it could certainly be coupled with the reduction of Fe3+ to create a flow battery. Additionally NaFe(EDTA) is also a low cost highly available fertilizer we can use.

On a previous post, I spoke about a setup for electrochemistry that I created, which allows me to carry out several measurements in solution. Using cyclic voltammetry of a solution containing Na2Mn(EDTA) and NaFe(EDTA) I was able to characterize the system and obtain half reaction potential values for the Fe and Mn reactions mentioned above.

Half reactions and half reaction potentials measured Vs an Ag/AgCl reference electrode. For Mn the reduction is shown.
Cyclic voltammetry used to obtain the E1/2 measurements. The Fe reaction happens to the left while the Mn reaction happens to the right.

If we add the two potentials above, we can obtain the expected potential for our battery, which would be 0.74V. This is not very high, which means that the energy density of our flow battery system is going to be low. If we consider the solubility of both compounds, then we expect the power density of this battery to be around 10Wh/L. This means that you would need 100L of 0.5M NaFe(EDTA) and 100L of 0.5M Na2MnEDTA to get a 1kWh battery. This means 18.3kg of the Fe salt and 19.5kg of the Mn salt. You will also need around 35kg of NaCl as a supporting electrolyte.

At retail you can find both Fe and Mn salts for a price of around 6-15 USD/kg (if you buy 25-55lb bags). On the low end this means the cost would be 226.8 USD/kWh and on the high end 567 USD/kWh at a retail price point. In pallet amounts, the cost for both is around 2 USD/kg, so the cost goes down to 75.6 USD kWh. Note that this is only for the Fe and Mn salts.

The challenge is now to create a small electrochemistry setup with two electrochemical chambers separated by an ion exchange membrane where we can carry out some initial charge/discharge measurements and measure the cross-over of ions without the need to do any sort of pumping. This is also going to involve the design of some DIY low cost membranes, since Nafion membranes would be extremely expensive. Additionally, since the conditions are so mild (pH 5-6), we can use some modified PVA or cellulose cation transport membranes that can be produced for very low cost.